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funkyjazzjunky
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Username: funkyjazzjunky

Post Number: 427
Registered: 5-2007
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post

Mica says Vermillion turns 'brick red'.

Anyone have an picture of on older model with a Vermillion top?
white_cloud
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Username: white_cloud

Post Number: 669
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post

I dont have any pictures but my Prometeus basses had Padauk necks - and yes it does go very red in colour with age!

Its a very very hard, nice sounding wood but not usually highly figured!

John.
crobbins
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Username: crobbins

Post Number: 361
Registered: 6-2004
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 7:13 pm:   Edit Post

This is suppose to be 500 years old..
rraymond
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Username: rraymond

Post Number: 360
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 8:05 pm:   Edit Post

Hmmm, 500 year old pickup cover. What's the rest of the guitar look like? :-)
2400wattman
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Username: 2400wattman

Post Number: 711
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 9:52 pm:   Edit Post

My ol' '80 Series 1 supposedly had a Vermillion top but I'll be damned if there was anthing RED about it!
funkyjazzjunky
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Username: funkyjazzjunky

Post Number: 428
Registered: 5-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 7:06 am:   Edit Post

That is where I am confused.

Will it turn dark red (Which I would like) or will it turn dark brown?
mica
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Username: mica

Post Number: 6128
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 9:25 am:   Edit Post

It's definitely a browning process. So it gets darker by getting more brown. Under the older finished that yellowed significantly, the color looked even more brown. But even then, at least I could tell that it was a slightly reddish brown. My husband says it's the girl color thing. He would probably call it brown. At some point the color would bloom exactly to the shade you would want, then later it would get darker and more brown.

If you're really after a stable red, choose Bloodwood, which seems to brown out at a fraction of the rate of other woods.
funkyjazzjunky
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Username: funkyjazzjunky

Post Number: 429
Registered: 5-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 2:19 pm:   Edit Post

What kind of tone does Bloodwood impart?
bkbass
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Username: bkbass

Post Number: 201
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Friday, May 22, 2009 - 7:02 am:   Edit Post

Bloodwood, to my ears, like Paduk is in the Mohogany neighborhood. Interestly, Rickenbacker fingerboards where/are Paduk and don't oxidize as quickly either. Maybe it's the lacquer slowing it down?
heike
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Username: heike

Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 8:12 am:   Edit Post

I also had been thinking that it was West African Padauk (pterocarpus soyauxii), b/c of the really vivid red color w/ black and white "veins" of the fretboard wood of my 4001C64, but John Hall and some others insisted on RIC not having used anything but Bubinga.

And, as I also found, Bubinga is said to display quite some color variation ranging from the brown known from W*rw*ck Thumb NTff via red to even purple. Also may have "veins".

Fading of color as I understand partly is due to exposure to UV radiation. I guess a lacquer containing some "sun blocker" may then be helpful.

But using bloodwood indeed is a nice idea...
white_cloud
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Username: white_cloud

Post Number: 686
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 8:23 am:   Edit Post

Padauk is much much harder than Mahogany and resonates as such. The attack is far greater and the tone not as warm!

John.
funkyjazzjunky
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Username: funkyjazzjunky

Post Number: 434
Registered: 5-2007
Posted on Monday, June 01, 2009 - 9:19 am:   Edit Post

Thank you John
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 8147
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 8:16 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Heike; welcome to the board!
blackelan
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Username: blackelan

Post Number: 111
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 1:26 pm:   Edit Post

Google "Nuno Bettencourt Padauk" you will see his pics of a Washburn guitar made of this wood. This is the most well known example I can think of.
funkyjazzjunky
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Username: funkyjazzjunky

Post Number: 440
Registered: 5-2007
Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 9:16 am:   Edit Post

Thank you

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