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mica
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Username: mica

Post Number: 8453
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2015 - 6:37 pm:   Edit Post

So let's start off with a nice "before" picture:

850 Before

At first glance, things don't look too bad here, even the crazing of the finish looks pretty cool. But there are some serious issues to address.

First, we gotta get those Bird's-eye Maple inlays to stay put:

850 clamping

and then we need to scrape off the finish that was starting to fall off in chunks:

850 scraping

850 sanding

and it's pretty well stripped now:





7

This is one of those oxidization lines I was telling you about on the phone:
7-2

And that nasty business at the bottom (gee, that sounds gross!):
8

Inlay looks cool (and the first pass at the bevel):
9

One of the inlays might want replacing:
10

And you'll be able to see the side dots again:
11

Like I mentioned on the phone, we've got to give the wood a week or so to develop the purple color again. There's a few things we meed to discuss further, but all in all, it's looking good!
mica
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Username: mica

Post Number: 8454
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2015 - 6:40 pm:   Edit Post

This is what the bottom looked like before we stripped it:

ouch
mavnet
Junior
Username: mavnet

Post Number: 33
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2015 - 6:54 pm:   Edit Post

Wow. I'm glad you called me first :-)
All in all, not bad for being 38 though...
Anyone reading this - Mica asked if I saw this and just liked it, or asked for this design. Actually, and soooo hard to imagine doing this today, back in 77, after deciding on the long scale with small body, I just asked Rick Turner to make something really cool. I didn't see it until it was done. I worked a little more closely with Ron, though. I told him I wanted a lot of knobs and a lot of control and asked what he'd suggest. It's got one SF-2 filter and one series 2, plus some cool switches that put the filters in and out of series. Hey, I was a kid and I figured they knew what they were doing. And they did. And still do.
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 11686
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2015 - 7:20 pm:   Edit Post

It will be really nice to see this one restored!
jazzyvee
Senior Member
Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 4429
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2015 - 3:19 am:   Edit Post

I agree Dave it is a lovely looking bass. I'm sure I've seen another with a similar look but not the same electronics.
moongerm
Intermediate Member
Username: moongerm

Post Number: 139
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2015 - 9:22 pm:   Edit Post

Wow this is incredibly unique! Yes, can't wait to see this one restored. In addition I am very curious how it sounds with all of those features? Is it more unique sounding the standard series electronics? I haven't seen a setup like this.
sonicus
Senior Member
Username: sonicus

Post Number: 3961
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Friday, March 13, 2015 - 3:19 am:   Edit Post

Quite certainly I feel surges of lust for this Bass as well ; from many different perspectives in fact ! Both sides of my brain simultaneously ,mind , body and soul even ! What is not to love here ? So she is in the salon for a make over , watch out when she steps out ! She will mesmerize everyone with looks , charm and sound . A Beautiful Rare Bird .
mavnet
Junior
Username: mavnet

Post Number: 34
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, March 13, 2015 - 8:29 am:   Edit Post

Sounds pretty amazing. Or pretty terrible :-) there are a LOT of ways to screw the sound up. Usually I get a basic sound I'm happy with with the straight series electronics, then put the SF into bandpass with a relatively high Q and sweep it around looking for some general ranges, then pull the Q back down and check out either low or high pass, depending on what the room/amp needs. The pickup selector also comes into play - options are neck to SF + bridge to Series, reverse, neck to both, or bridge to both. I've only rarely run the elecs in series, never really got the hang of that.
mavnet
Junior
Username: mavnet

Post Number: 35
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, March 13, 2015 - 8:38 am:   Edit Post

She's got a sister, btw - a fretless, same shape, same electronics. Same core woods, but ebony front and back (and fingerboard). Bone nut. Oil finish. Really, really amazing instrument, tender and expressive. Both of them have the great low fundamental from the long scale, both have a fair amount of neck dive from the lack of balance between the long neck and the small body (i've got 2 of the 7 or so that ever Alembic made in that combo, because of that result). The fretless goes back for an oil change and tune up once this one comes back.
moongerm
Intermediate Member
Username: moongerm

Post Number: 140
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Friday, March 13, 2015 - 2:44 pm:   Edit Post

That was great Wolf, ha!

Mark, that is a heavy duty, functional setup! Ron is truly amazing! So if you had a custom build to do all over again would you add in the onboard SF2 like you have here or would you change anything?

A hot sister too! Yeah! Pictures please, lol!
mica
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Username: mica

Post Number: 8458
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Friday, March 13, 2015 - 8:31 pm:   Edit Post

Just a little more sanding on the body and we're in full wait mode:



A little better view of a few of the cracks and the oxidization lines:



The cracks will repair nicely, and once we get a coat of sealer on we can see how those oxidization lines wind up looking.
mavnet
Junior
Username: mavnet

Post Number: 36
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post

At least on the front, the lines you pointed out are along the grain, so I'm guessing probably won't be so noticeable. Nice to see the wood again!
mavnet
Junior
Username: mavnet

Post Number: 37
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post

Brian - 1) yes, Ron is amazing!, and 2) definitely would go with SF again. But i'd go with 2 channels, not just one. The other change i'd make, and maybe i can still make it on this one, is to have notch filtering. My SF channel has hi pass, bandpass,, and lowpass, but not notch.

Mica - is that possible, to add back in the SF notch filtering (would mean a 4 way switch instead of the 3 way toggle, plus whatever magic Ron would have to do to the electronics)? If it helps, I just found the schematics (in your dad's hand) for the electronics.
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 8467
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Friday, March 20, 2015 - 5:24 pm:   Edit Post

I'll ask dad about adding the notch filtering to this bass (and I guess the fretless one too). If it's not too much trouble, please scan and send me what you have - I may or may not have the same documentation.

Here's where we are now. We did the first bit of repairing cracks and have a sealer coat on.

General view:
finish

Closeup of the cracks and oxidization I posted last Friday:
cracks
There is some more work to do on the central core laminate, but all in all, this is looking good!

Closeup of the nasty business:

With it so shiny, it's kinda hard to tell what is going on here, but I think you can see how nice the color matching went, especially right next to the neck. Here you can see more of the oxidization lines - I don't find them distracting myself.

I just wanted to show another view of the lovely colors:

The Cherry core looks sublime. The black border around the inlaid top needed repair all around. There's gobs of black glue and Ebony dust that when sanded away will neaten that sharp line right up.

And that logo you haven't seen like this in a while:
logo

Things are looking really nice I think.
mavnet
Junior
Username: mavnet

Post Number: 38
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, March 20, 2015 - 5:43 pm:   Edit Post

Wow wow wow wow :-) That purple heart is amazing. The repairs look like things that if i didn't know about, I wouldn't see.
Also - wow!
mtjam
Advanced Member
Username: mtjam

Post Number: 278
Registered: 11-2011
Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2015 - 4:37 am:   Edit Post

Looks great!
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 8475
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 3:36 pm:   Edit Post

With the black goop sanded back, just a quick snapshot to show how snappy things are looking here:
850 spray
moongerm
Intermediate Member
Username: moongerm

Post Number: 152
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 4:37 pm:   Edit Post

I love it! Gosh it looks like a new build.
mtjam
Advanced Member
Username: mtjam

Post Number: 281
Registered: 11-2011
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 5:05 pm:   Edit Post

It just keeps getting better and better!
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 8476
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 6:00 pm:   Edit Post

In the spirit of #tbt, here's a before the before picture:

hahahahaha

I'm six years old and the bass is newborn!
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 11697
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 6:15 pm:   Edit Post

Now that's a cool picture!!
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 11698
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 6:18 pm:   Edit Post

The update picture is pretty cool as well; and yes, it does look like a new build.
sonicus
Senior Member
Username: sonicus

Post Number: 4030
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 6:24 pm:   Edit Post

Mica , Now that is Kool picture . What a trip it must be that you now get to monitor the rejuvenation of this fine specimen . I really like this Bass. The maple inlaying of the top seems somewhat John Cipollina inspired to my interpretation. The electronics are " Molto Gustoso" !

(Message edited by sonicus on March 26, 2015)
keith_h
Senior Member
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 2179
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 7:48 pm:   Edit Post

Mica, You need to get one of Erik with the bass for the photo album when it is finished. Something for him to look back on when he is older or now for that matter.

Keith
moongerm
Intermediate Member
Username: moongerm

Post Number: 154
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 9:27 pm:   Edit Post

How cool is that Mica, that you found that photo?
mavnet
Junior
Username: mavnet

Post Number: 39
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2015 - 8:52 am:   Edit Post

That's the best photo ever, Mica! In addition to Erik with the bass, we definitely need one of you in the same pose...

ALSO - holy cow that thing looks amazing. It really does look like a new build.

like like like like like like like (where's the darned like button?!)
zomnius
Junior
Username: zomnius

Post Number: 44
Registered: 9-2013
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2015 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post

the picture explains the cracks :-) What a great bass. I would love it even with the oxidation, cracks 'n stuff.
Incredible how this top was made, there weren't any cnc milling machines back then right?. Was the curvy piece on the top a hand cut job then??
enzo
Senior Member
Username: enzo

Post Number: 449
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Thursday, April 02, 2015 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post

How beautiful! I'm so enjoying seeing the restoration of this beauty... and that picture with Mica and the bass, kind of takes me back to the Chicago gathering when I remember Erik going thru all the instruments to 'test' them :-)
rustyg61
Senior Member
Username: rustyg61

Post Number: 1612
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2015 - 1:58 am:   Edit Post

Keith, I love your idea of taking the same picture with Eric once it is finished! That would be a special shot indeed! Mica, you could take the same shot too & use it in an Alembic Ad & say something like "Alembic, ageless beauty!" With the advances in photography, the restoration bass will look even better than it did when it was brand new.
mavnet
Junior
Username: mavnet

Post Number: 40
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, April 10, 2015 - 1:39 pm:   Edit Post

The bass will be perfect... Now, if only I looked the way i did in 77 when i got the bass, I'd be a happy (and much thinner) man. I wonder if there's an Alembic for humans. I need a personal refin.

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