| Author | Message | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4032 Registered: 6-2000 |
Hi Shim, Here's a control layout I've come up with for your bass:  The knobs are in straight lines, and the switches too. On the real thing, the spacing will be even, this mock up is done fairly quickly. With names so you can see what is what:  For your reference, everything needs to fit within the backplate area, shaded here:  This layout lets you use parts that have standard wire lengths. If you ever need a repair part, it won't need to be orderd custom to fit your bass. | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2006 |
First, I imagine the not 2-3-2-2 way like your suggestion, but 3-3-3 way. so, 1. treble cut/boost - bass cut/boost - master volume LED on/off - 3-pos bridge toggle - 3-way neck toggle bridge filter - neck filter - pan/blend 2. bridge filter - neck filter - master volume LED on/off - 3-pos bridge toggle - 3-way neck toggle treble cut/boost - bass cut/boost - pan/blend. I think the 3-3-3 way look more stabel. could you make 3-3-3 way?? | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4038 Registered: 6-2000 |
Something more like this?  | ||
| the_8_string_king
Advanced Member Username: the_8_string_king Post Number: 366 Registered: 9-2005 |
Mica, I hope I'm not out-of-line here, but I have an idea for Shim's/your consideration. It's very similar to your mock-up in post 4038. Have the two rows of 3 knobs be perfectly parallel; have the 2 middle knobs in each row be slightly farther apart from each other; have the LED switch in the dead center going side to side, and the other 2 toggles centered between the center knobs and the outer knobs on either side; and finally, have the 3 knobs with detents all on the same row. (Top row =B filter, volume, N filter, bottom row =treble, balance, bass). I considered something very similar for myself. Like this: ..........NECK...............BASS ..........FILT................CONT ..........KNOB...............KNOB ................................. .......................N.......... .......................Q.......... ................................. ......MAST.......................BLEN ......VOLU.........LED.........CONT ......KNOB.......................KNOB ................................. .......................B.......... .......................Q.......... ................................. ..........BRID...............TREB ..........FILT................CONT ..........KNOB..............KNOB The setup would be completely symetrical. Hope you don't mind my sharing this idea with you. | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4041 Registered: 6-2000 |
Your idea does not address the output jack, and putting it in line with the switches gets it too crowded towards the edge if I understand your representation. This is Shim's call. I was trying to understand Shim's request, and so the placement of the controls was based on my understanding of his message. I am only here to make sure that the control placement is physically possible and the knobs and switches won't interfere with eachother during operation. I may make some gentle suggestions here and there, but in the end, Shim's the one who will be playing this bass, and I will respect his wishes. | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2006 |
Mica, the position of Pan knob is wrong. Pan/blend knob is below the master volume. And, I think the straight array is so strict. I think the incline array is more good. Or, if Treble cut/boost , 3-way Q bridge toggle, bridge filter are moved higher than your picture, it can be more good. If I can draw the picture of my electronics and post that, I'll paste my wishes in this page. It's so hard to explain what I want. ;;;;; Anyway, Thanx Mica, And Mark.~~!!!!! | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4044 Registered: 6-2000 |
I hope this is more of what you are looking for. I also moved the positions of the filters so the Q switches would be in a logical relationship to them.  Let me know if you like it or if you had something else in mind. If you have a sketch, you can post it here or fax it to me if it's easier (707-523-2935). | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 61 Registered: 12-2006 |
Mica, we can discuss about electronics lay-out, with the picture http://www3.alembic.com/img/inst/13465_controlsL.jpg In this picture, the knobs and controls are closer each other, so looks good. I know my bass body is larger than the balanced K body, so there is enough space, but the electronics look good when the knobs and controls are closer each other. I like http://www3.alembic.com/img/inst/13465_controlsL.jpg , and I can explain what I want, to change the knobs in this picture. In NN bass -------> In Shim's custom bridge volume -------> treble cut/boost neck volume -------> bass cut/boost master volume -------> same. bridge CVQ -------> bridge 3-pos Q neck CVQ -------> neck 3-pos Q bridge filter -------> same neck filter -------> same stero/mono toggle ----> side LED on/off But, Mica, I don't decide the position of Pan/Blend. It can be position of pick-up selector knob or front LED on/off knob in NN bass. So we can have the two option about electronics. Can you draw this two suggestion, so we can look the electronics?? | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 62 Registered: 12-2006 |
And, Mica, I will tell you about the level of 3-position Q toggle. I will choose between 0/4/8 dB or 0/3/6. As soon as possible, I will tell you about this. | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 63 Registered: 12-2006 |
Addition : post number 61 Pan/Blend knob is more suitable in postion of Pickup selector in NN bass. So, can you use the point type knob like in NN bass for my Pan/Blend Knob ?? | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4076 Registered: 6-2000 |
Sorry - the pointer knob is only for 1/8" shaft size. The pan/blend pot is only available in 1/4" without a lengthy custom order (currently they take 4-6 months to custom make a pot), so I don't think it is possible for your order. | ||
| adriaan
Senior Member Username: adriaan Post Number: 1256 Registered: 6-2002 |
Mica, For the mods on my Spoiler, we discussed a non-click panpot, and you mentioned such a one could be done with the 1/8" shaft? | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4078 Registered: 6-2000 |
That is again a custom part, only this time made by my father. Since Shim's bass has to be completed by the end of this month, there is no chance that the part can be made in time. Plus there is an additional cost involved for something that in my opinion is not terribly useful, since you loose the center click reference. | ||
| adriaan
Senior Member Username: adriaan Post Number: 1257 Registered: 6-2002 |
Okidoki! | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 64 Registered: 12-2006 |
ok, Mica I got it. So Can you show me the outlay of my electronics like in post #61? And I decide to get the 0/4/8 dB toggles. Please answer it~~ | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 65 Registered: 12-2006 |
Mica, I want to know when you can show me the electronics layout, and progress of building my bass. Please answer it. ^-^ | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4100 Registered: 6-2000 |
I'll work on the layout for you tonight. I'll do the artwork on your actual bass. | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4108 Registered: 6-2000 |
Here's the control layout from what I understand in your post #61:  And with labels:  Putting the pan where the pickup selector was looked too cramped I think. Let me know if this is what you had in mind. | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 69 Registered: 12-2006 |
The position of Pan Knob is not correct. It should be in the position of pick-up selector in http://www3.alembic.com/img/inst/13465_controlsL.jpg So, It should be located in between bass and treble, and more upper level. Can you understand? I mean,like in http://www3.alembic.com/img/inst/13465_controlsL.jpg , Pan knob of my bass should be located in same position of pick-up selector. | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 70 Registered: 12-2006 |
But, your picture is somewhat suitable for my bass. Actually, I cannot decide what is more suitable for my bass, so if you show me the electronics lay-out like post # 69, I will decide as soon as possible. | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 71 Registered: 12-2006 |
And... I wonder my pick-up location. I ordered my pick-up should be more apart from the neck, but, I cannot figure that it is considered or not by seeing picture of my bass. | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 72 Registered: 12-2006 |
And is the bass in your picture my bass??? it's unbeliverble grain. | ||
| the_8_string_king
Senior Member Username: the_8_string_king Post Number: 406 Registered: 9-2005 |
WOW!!! WOW, WOW, WOW!!! My "Top 5" list of tops that I gave you guys... you can add this, and change it to my "Top 6" list now!!! This is as awesome as any top I've ever seen! I'll flip if my Bass looks anywhere near this great! Love ALL the figuring -especially the concentrics near the electronics, and the detail on the horn! Shim, you must be thrilled! | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4110 Registered: 6-2000 |
Here's the pan control moved as you requested:  This is your bass in the photo, I'm glad you like the grain. I checked the pickup position, and it is moved away from the fingerboard as you requested. | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 73 Registered: 12-2006 |
Like In http://www3.alembic.com/img/inst/13465_controlsL.jpg , the distance between bass and treble knob is apart more from each other, and the pan knob is prefered to be located more closer in volume-bass-treble line. And the distance between neck and bridge Q knob should be same to distance between bass and treble knob. I think, in your picture, Pan knob is somewhat close to the bridge. This is very delicate, so I don't know how I can explain. If you cannot understand what I mean, please tell me. | ||
| bassjigga
Intermediate Member Username: bassjigga Post Number: 135 Registered: 8-2005 |
Hey Shim, just a suggestion... what if you made the left side have 4 nobs going down in a straight line so that from top to bottom it would be vol, pan, bass, treb. Then relocate the LED switch somewhere - maybe on the outter edge between the two filters. So it would look something like the picture in post #61, but swapping the pan knob and LED switch, and then putting the pan by the vol instead of having b & t in between. Great lookin bass by the way. And talk about your fast builds... (Message edited by bassjigga on February 15, 2007) | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 74 Registered: 12-2006 |
And in post #4108, how about exchanging the pan knob and the toggle of LED?? Can you show me the picture about this recommandation? So.... if you can, please show me the two pictures, one about post # 73, and this. | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 75 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thanx~!!!! David~~~~!!!!! What I want to tell Mica is your suggestion. I like your suggestion. Let's do it~~~!!!!!!! | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4117 Registered: 6-2000 |
Here's another mock-up based on your comments:   This is with the pan control based on David's suggestion:  I think the LED operation switch should be farthest away from your hands, I don't think it's good to be near the bridge. | ||
| bassjigga
Intermediate Member Username: bassjigga Post Number: 136 Registered: 8-2005 |
That looks like a logical setup. I'd go for that if it were mine Shim. Glad I could be of help.  | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2006 |
Ok, I think the out-lay of David suggestion is more suitable for my bass. And It looks good. Let's make my bass like in your picture~~!!! The third one in post # 4117 ~!!!! | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 4118 Registered: 6-2000 |
Ok great - I'll give the pattern to Bob and he will get the holes routed in the next few days. | ||
| the_8_string_king
Senior Member Username: the_8_string_king Post Number: 408 Registered: 9-2005 |
Great suggestion, bassjigga! The simplicity and functionality/accessibility of the control design paradigm and layout is great! What a great layout! Shim, you're a lucky guy, I can't wait to hear your comments when you get this! | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thanx Mark.I really love my bass. It's unbelievable. It's amazing. It's Moving~~!! | ||
| shim
Member Username: shim Post Number: 78 Registered: 12-2006 |
ANd... Mica, did you see my request on Ron's signature? |
