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rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 24
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 1:25 pm:   Edit Post

Ok. .... is the bass strings "on top" or?

Will also need the string size for the octave strings.

I'm guessing that the bass strings are standard, .045 .065 .080 .105.

Oh!...forgot. The scale? 34"?
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 736
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 1:39 pm:   Edit Post

Rob,
if you look down the bass wearing it they are starting with the thing strings, then the bass strings. As said e/E a/A d/D g/G.
This is the old style setup where you can play ideally with a pick.
8string sizes are:
1st-G 2nd-G 3rd-D 4th-D 5th-A 6th-A 7th-E 8th-E
.040 .020 .055 .025 .070 .035 .090 .045

And of course both necks at 34"

Oliver (Spyderman)
keurosix
Advanced Member
Username: keurosix

Post Number: 288
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 8:49 pm:   Edit Post

Rob,
Are you working in 3D? Can you view the guitars in a .sat file with a program such as Spatial Technologies ACIS Viewer? This is a really cool way to show off the entire model.
Kris
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 25
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post

I only work in AutoCAD 2002. So the standard file type is .dwg.

There are many other programs ,newer ones,that probably be a lot better.
But I know how to do things in A-CAD, so that is what I work with.
cozmik_cowboy
Advanced Member
Username: cozmik_cowboy

Post Number: 296
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 5:39 am:   Edit Post

"So the standard file type is .dwg." .Dragonwing??? Perfect!

Peter
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 7:03 am:   Edit Post

LOL....... can't belive I missed that one.

Oliver. Any accent laminates? Pinstripes?
Body wood is "mahogny", or rather my attempt at it.
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 737
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 7:12 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
just as on my DW. Core Wood is actual Walnut.
Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 27
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 9:23 am:   Edit Post

Step three. Now with necks.

DDW4
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 738
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
wow. You´re great man!!!!

Thank you so much....

Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 28
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 6:07 am:   Edit Post

Step four. Quick peghead design check. There's a large risk that the strings will not clear all string poles. Redesign might be in order.

DDW5

The lower peghead is just a mirrored upper. With more tuners. ;)

(Message edited by rob_the_fiend on April 27, 2008)
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 740
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 6:15 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
well you are the CAD master. Great work!!!
I already spoke to Mica rgdg this project so you see that this is really used. I need this beast... :-)
As with the 8er peghead this will not work I think. What about having the normal DW peghead made a big longer and have the tunners arrayed like on Johns Status Buzzard with 6 tuners on the left and two on the right? What do you think?

Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 29
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 6:23 am:   Edit Post

Maybe 3 high and 5 low?

o O o
O o O o O

o = Guitar tuner
O = Bass tuner
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 741
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 6:34 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
I would rather suggest not to have the lower peghead mirrored.
What do you think of this arrangement, see pic below



Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 30
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 6:37 am:   Edit Post

Like this:

Peghead 4+4

Only 1.5" (38.1 mm) longer.

(Message edited by rob_the_fiend on April 27, 2008)
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 742
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 6:52 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
if we would use this we need to place 4 on the left side as it will not work with the string spacing. But I would like to see the peghead in a normal position as well to decide what would look better.
Could you do this?

Oliver (Spyderman)
fc_spoiler
Senior Member
Username: fc_spoiler

Post Number: 695
Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 7:10 am:   Edit Post

I do'nt see why it won't work with the string spacing...?



I think the reverse version looks much meaner (in combination with the other neck)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 31
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 7:24 am:   Edit Post

Two variations. Maybe it will look better with the pegheads the same way...

Tst  DDW pegheads
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 743
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 7:46 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
personally (my taste) I would prefer the two pegheads in line, classic layout. This looks more smooth to me. What do you think?
Could you put a vermillion veneer on the tops of the headstock?


As for the tailpiece I like the double version you showed on the original photo.
Electronicwise I would go for the same 20th Anniversary than in my actual DW and only for one set of electronics due to lack of space, means knob layout as on my DW and with an additional selector switch for the two necks, maybe located centered in the space behind the two bridge pickups?

Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 32
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 8:25 am:   Edit Post

Ok.
Do You know where I can get some drawings/blueprints of the knobs and the selector switches?

Isn't the area behind the bridges and in front of the tailpiece better for a switch?
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 744
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 8:45 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
yep that would be a great place, better I think.
As for drawings I must pass; if I remember there are some pictures on the Alembic store? Would this help too?
Will take a look....

Oliver (Spyderman)
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 745
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 8:50 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
only these photos




Oliver (Spyderman)

(Message edited by davehouck on August 10, 2008)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 8:56 am:   Edit Post

Must be somewere it can be found.... who is the manufacturer?
I don't think Alembic makes those things themselves.
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 34
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 9:28 am:   Edit Post

Found one of them .... now... size?

http://www.ehcknobs.com/selector/index.php?series=109&action=step6&level=3&group=109P
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 746
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 9:40 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
the pointer knob has a height of 1,2cms, a lenght from round end to point of 1,8cms and a diameter where the round part goes into the angle of 1,2cms.
The round knobs are 2,15cms height in total, 1,9 without the lower rim, diameter is 2,5cms at base and at top it has 1,5cms.
Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 35
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 9:58 am:   Edit Post

Thanks. That should do it, or, close enough. ;)
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 747
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
btw are you working on a pc or a mac?

Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 36
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post

PC. I've never used a Mac.
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 748
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 1:57 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
could you alternatively put the other small tuner
also on the right side while taking the tuners
on the right side in line with those on the left side
while keeping the long length of the headstock.
Think it would look better to have them equal
on both sides.
Cheers
Oliver (Spyderman)
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 749
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 1:24 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Rob,
did you read my last message?

Many greetings
Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 37
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 2:15 pm:   Edit Post

Yepp. I did.
And I think You are right, it would look better. Will redesign it soon.
fish
Member
Username: fish

Post Number: 65
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post

HMMMM

Mica, what would the weight be on a DDW?
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 38
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 1:04 pm:   Edit Post

The tuners alone will be 680 grams (1.5 lbs).

If Mica can get me the average density for each of the woods involved, also the brass, and the weight of the electronics + pickups.
I can get a very good estimate of the total weight.
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 750
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 1:53 pm:   Edit Post

Rob,Fish,
Tears for John, single DW, weighs exactly 5kgs.
As my DDW would get only one electronic set you could guess
what it would weigh.
I think Mica is busy on doing an estimate for me....serious.

Oliver (Spyderman)
fish
Member
Username: fish

Post Number: 66
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 4:52 pm:   Edit Post

Oliver, perhaps we can get a "two for one" sale : )
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 39
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 1:52 am:   Edit Post

Step five. Controls, Tailpiece and Bridgeblocks.
And the peghead You wanted...will fix it with the laminates later... Vermilion as top layer? What of the others, how many and what wood?

DDW 6
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 751
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 3:21 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
This looks awesome. Wow. Top wood of the peghead vermillion.
Could you install the miniswitches as on ms DW and the input jack?
Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 40
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 9:49 am:   Edit Post

Step 5.5 ... ;) The miniswitches are steel, not plastic as it looks on your picture. I moved the "neck selector" a little closer to the bridges.
The shadows are volumes/raytraced, took 106 min to render the full size picture (3400x2300).

DDW7
tbrannon
Senior Member
Username: tbrannon

Post Number: 738
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post

I want one. I need one of Paul's stockings....
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 752
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
wow wow wow.
Yes the switches are steel, also on TFJ.
Could you bring the pickupselector a very small bit towards the master vol?
The vermillion tops on the heads and what do you think of standard oval inlays on the 8string neck?
(see also my mail to you)

Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 41
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 5:52 am:   Edit Post

What are the sizes of the ovals on the different positions?
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 42
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 7:07 am:   Edit Post

Having fun with textures... learning how to get reflective surfaces. WIP.

DDW ref

Can anyone tell me what the font is that is used on the pickups?
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 754
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
really cool. Thank you very much!!!!
As said, Mica is working on an estimate for me for this beast.

Many thanks my friend
Oliver (Spyderman)
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami

Post Number: 800
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 7:19 am:   Edit Post

Wow Rob! For a guy who doesn't play an instrument, you're a very talented guy. It's been really exciting to watch an idea come to life. It's just spectacular.
I really hope you do in fact build this Oliver. It'll become a Alembic classic.

:-)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 43
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 9:50 am:   Edit Post

Trying not to blush ... ;-)
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 755
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 2:02 pm:   Edit Post

Rami,
yes Rob has really done an awesome work.
I am waiting on an estimate from Mica on this and then I think I have to put out the stockings for a bank robbery...... :-)
But you are right, this could be a new Alembic classic......

Oliver (Spyderman)
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 5299
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 2:52 pm:   Edit Post

The logo isn't a font, it's hand drawn letters. But there are some fonts that resemble it closely (myfonts.com is always a good resource).

I've already given Oliver the rough estimate for this build (about the price of 2 Dragon Wing basses). It shouldn't be too much longer to work up an official detailed quote.
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 44
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 3:21 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks Mica. Do You have a large resolution image of the logo? I can work from that.

Latest rendering.... strange... it's less space between the neck pickup and the neck than on the images of Oliver's DW!?!? Must have gotten some measurement wrong.

DDW7
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 756
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 3:13 am:   Edit Post

Rob,
here are the sizes for the oval fingerboard inlays for the 8string neck:
3rd fret Length 2,2cms Width (at broadest point) 1,6cms
5th fret Length 1,8cms Width 1,3cms
7th fret Length 1,5cms Width 1,1cms
9th fret Length 1,25cms Width 0,9cms
12th fret Length 3,4cms Width 1,0cms
15th fret Length 1,85cms Width 1,0cms
17th fret Length 1,6cms Width 0,75cms
19th fret Length 1,25cms Width 0,7cms
21st fret Length 0,9cms Width 0,5cms
24th fret Length 1,2cms Width 0,4cms

Can you work with these?
Oliver (Spyderman)
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen

Post Number: 757
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 3:18 am:   Edit Post

Mica,
will send you an email later today for a definite estimate with all the details and specs I want to have on the DDW.

Many greetings from sunny Germany
Oliver (Spyderman)
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend

Post Number: 45
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 3:37 am:   Edit Post

Oliver, perfect man. That will do.

Have to find a material that looks good, there ain't no MOP texture in AutoCAD.

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