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senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 758
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 3:42 am: |  |
Rob,
thank you so much.
Have just sent a mail to Mica and Susan rgdg a definite estimate.
So I hope we can turn this beast into reality (and you will have fun with this too)
Cheers
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 46
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 4:19 am: | |
Ovals in place.
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senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 759
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 4:28 am: | |
Rob,
you are quick as hell. A real CAD master.
BTW I have decided only to take three stringers for the neck throughs as on my DW Tears for John.
Cheers
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 47
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 4:42 am: | |
Considering that You are getting this as a double of the bass You already have, I understand that.
Do You mind if I keep the "fading out" PH lams on the renderings?
I think the three simple ones look ... boring. |
rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 4:50 am: | |
Mica. What are the diameters of the drills used to make the "pockets" for the string ends in the tailpiece?
Do you use the same size when it's a octave tailpiece?
And what is the stringspacing between bass and octave string. Thanks. |
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 760
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 5:30 am: | |
Rob,
of course. No problem.
I once had a Spyder 8string, here are some pics to give you an idea on string spacing. On this one, the pair of strings used a tailpiece together. So I donīt know, what Mica would do on the DDW? Double slots or using one slot for two strings?!
Oliver (Spyderman)
(Message edited by davehouck on August 10, 2008) |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 801
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 6:51 am: | |
Hey Oliver,
I personally don't like the look of two strings sharing the same slot. It takes away from the detail of the Bass. That's the only thing I don't like about the 12 string Baritone Guitar.
I would also bookmatch the tops and backs to center - I'd rather cover the neck.
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rob_the_fiend
Junior
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 49
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 6:56 am: | |
This tailpiece uses individual holes, image in Mica's post #5272.
http://alembic.com/club/messages/631/14858.html?1179778327 |
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 761
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 2:15 am: | |
Rami,
I think they did it on the Spyder as there are only 4 single tailpieces. Generally, of course, it looks better.
The top on TFJ is also bookmatched, of course, but I personally like the look of the neck through, this is classic Alembic.
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 803
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 6:14 am: | |
I agree with you Oliver. For what a custom instrument costs, it is 100% about personal preference.
That Spyder 8 string is just beautiful beyond words. A very unique instrument.
Rami |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 51
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 9:52 am: | |
One step closer.... getting there.
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senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 762
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 10:27 am: | |
Rob,
what shall I say?
Simply amazing job you are doing.
Many many thanks
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 52
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 10:34 am: | |
Close up of the main parts of the hardware.
Very irritating strange colorshift on the strings, have NO idea how to fix it.
(Message edited by rob_the_fiend on May 11, 2008) |
keurosix
Advanced Member
Username: keurosix
Post Number: 339
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 9:32 pm: | |
Rob,
Have you done anymore work on this one? It would be really cool to see it finished!
Kris |
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 766
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 11:19 am: | |
Kris,
I havenīt gotten any updates from Rob.
Could be that I will order this bass matching to Tears for John....
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 62
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 11:59 pm: | |
I might have an update this weekend. |
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 768
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 10:14 am: | |
Rob,
wow fantastic.
As usual, canīt await to see it.
Cheers
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 63
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, July 11, 2008 - 8:49 am: | |
Busy week, sorry Oliver. Also, found that I have to resize the body, the scale seems to be 33.75" (ooops).
Quick one for Rami: better shape? (parallel necks)
Maybe move the right neck further into the body. (so that the peghead tips aren't so different in height)
(Message edited by rob_the_fiend on July 11, 2008) |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 64
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, July 11, 2008 - 9:05 am: | |
Second version.
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rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 826
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2008 - 8:10 pm: | |
That's just beautiful Rob. Although I'd rather the necks, pickups and hardware line up. I like the look of the 12 string headstock extending past the 6. I'd also try to narrow the body sides a bit.
I'll just keep buying those lottery tickets!
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rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 827
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 6:18 pm: | |
How about an Alembic 6 & 12 Doubleneck based on a small standard or tribute body shape with Alembic Crown headstocks? Now THAT would just be WAY TOO COOL!
Something to REALLY put the Gibson EDS-1275 to shame. It should be named the RS-1276 (the "RS" being my initials - of course!).
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811952
Senior Member
Username: 811952
Post Number: 1430
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 6:35 pm: | |
This is an expensive thread to watch! :P
John |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 65
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 6:59 pm: | |
I wonder how a tribute would look with an extended upper horn. (for balance reasons)
Or the small standard with the upper horn from a rogue.....time to start hunting good pictures.
Rami, start buying extra lottery tickets. ;) |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 828
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 12:32 pm: | |
No, keep the upper horns original. The Gibson EDS-1275 has short horns with the strap button behind the heel of the upper neck. I don't mind the neck-dive. I understand that the small standard body and the Tribute are both indirectly influenced by the Gibson SG design.
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rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 66
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 7:37 am: | |
A quickie using an image from this ( http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_fittingtribute.html ) as base. I squeezed the body together a little. (original picture on the left)
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rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 829
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 7:52 am: | |
Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!!!
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rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 67
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 9:43 am: | |
As you see, the shape of the area between the horns and neck are slightly altered but the basic shape of the body is intact.
Only aprox. 18% wider.
There is a risk that the pegheads are too close with this design.
But "twist" the left horn out, and squeeze the electronics together slightly,
then the necks can be set a little further apart. |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 68
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 9:48 am: | |
The tailpiece will be about 27 mm lower than on the picture, due to difference in scale (25.5" - 30").
That is with the end of the fretboard in the same location. |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 830
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:19 pm: | |
I think the necks are a little too close. The body looks great though. The Gibson is a useful example for proportion and neck angle. |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 835
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 5:36 pm: | |
I found these pictures on Ebay of a one off custom EDS-1275.
I suppose that this configuration makes sense if you play with different tunings. Interesting though. |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 69
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 3:35 pm: | |
Latest image.
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senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 808
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 4:38 am: | |
Rob,
many thanks for the great work you have done.
This looks really great.
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 842
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 7:46 pm: | |
Oliver,
Are you actually going to build it?
That's one Featured Custom article I'd look forward to reading.
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eastcoastepic
Advanced Member
Username: eastcoastepic
Post Number: 221
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2008 - 5:05 pm: | |
I can only imagine what Rob's commission will be....
Amazing work! |
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 810
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 1:51 pm: | |
Rami,
well I need to think on how to finance this beast.
Eastcoast,
:-)
Oliver (Spyderman) |
funkyjazzjunky
Intermediate Member
Username: funkyjazzjunky
Post Number: 161
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 2:11 pm: | |
How would that balance with such a short upper horn?
Cosmetically, could you lengthen it? |
andbassforall
New
Username: andbassforall
Post Number: 9
Registered: 9-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 5:30 pm: | |
What if we all send you $5? I'd do it if it would help start seeing this thing come to life. I've really enjoyed following this thread. - Mike |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 848
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 6:07 pm: | |
I have an idea: How about if we get an official quote from Alembic, divide the cost of building it among us, then have a draw and one of us would win it. We'd need a minimum number of entries to make participating attractive. If it's going to cost around $20,000 (for example) we should have at least 200 people willing to contribute $100. The more people participating, the less the contribution. 500 people would contribute $40, 1000 people would contribute $20 and so on.
Still better odds than a lottery!
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rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 849
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 7:28 pm: | |
Maybe that's not such a good idea for such a personal instrument - Oliver may not appreciate seeing his baby with someone else, but perhaps we can all pitch in and design an Alembic that incorporates ideas from all the club members. |
keurosix
Advanced Member
Username: keurosix
Post Number: 368
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 8:11 pm: | |
You mean something like a club member special edition annual raffle? Sounds way too intriguing!
We would have to work out how payment gets to the mothership prior to the build. Perhaps enlisting the help of their network of dealers?
I would enjoy a chance at custom Alembic ownership for a fraction of the cost!
Kris |
daveski
Junior
Username: daveski
Post Number: 39
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 9:13 pm: | |
What a great idea,just set out a few parameters beforehand for the basics like body shape,neck taper etc.... then just have a vote on top woods and the other major considerations,don't over complicate it all,then let Alembic just decide on the finer details.
Everybody who wants to take part send in your money and off we go.For $50 or $100 i think you may get a lot of interest,i for one would certainly love a custom build for that price even if the wood etc wasn't what i'd choose if i were having it made for myself.
It does not matter if you do not win,but there is a chance that you may win,exciting! Pop every participants name in a hat and then just get Mica to pull one out and BINGO some very lucky so and so's got a brand new bass Superb! |
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 813
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2008 - 11:31 am: | |
Guys,
the estimate for my DDW is around 26K.
And of course, I would like to see this design (my idea) in my hands.... :-)
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 850
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2008 - 3:01 pm: | |
How about the Tribute or small standard body Double neck? A 6-12 configuration. Nothing too fancy, just a simple and clean Double Neck guitar. Purpleheart body, Purpleheart and Ebony necks, Coco Bolo top and back bookmatched to center. Continuous wood pickup covers, truss rod cover and rear plates. Solid Un-chambered body. The most simple electronics (like the EDS-1275).
I'm sure it would be well below 26K.
Something with more general appeal than the DDW. |
andbassforall
Junior
Username: andbassforall
Post Number: 11
Registered: 9-2008
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2008 - 4:12 pm: | |
I think that's an awesome idea about the forum based raffle type thing. I would never assume this double neck up like that. I just think that bass is a great thought. I know it would be very expensive and I'd love to see it in Senmn hands not to mention Rob's work put to good use.
Like mentioned above, it would be great to see one bass go up once a year as kinda like a raffle for the enthusiasts here. Some very cool one off like this DDW that has gotten us all excited and talking about it. |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 851
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2008 - 8:33 pm: | |
Oliver,
At 26K, I'm quite confident that your design idea is safe.
I personally welcome and invite anyone to build my ideas so I can someday acquire them second hand...or maybe third...fourth...fifth...... until I can afford it.......
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rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 72
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 11:49 am: | |
Oliver. That estimate is ...... I can almost hear your wallet screaming. ;-)
How do you like my computer wallpaper?
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senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 818
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 1:53 pm: | |
Rob buddy,
yes I have to save hardly.
Could you send me that picture?
I only have the small one from this site or do you have a bigger one you could me (also without the background)
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 74
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 12:10 pm: | |
Here is the image I've used as background.(sorry for the large size)
And a closeup of the pegheads, showing how much there is to be done on the strings.
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senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 819
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 9:48 am: | |
Rob,
thank you so much.
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rami
Senior Member
Username: rami
Post Number: 853
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 3:37 pm: | |
Oliver,
I look forward to seeing this image at the end of a future "Featured Custom" page. Mica will have one heck of a story to tell about how this project was born!
Best wishes.........DO IT!!!!!
Rami
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rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 76
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 8:12 am: | |
A little test, 2" strech upper horn.
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senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 821
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 10:48 am: | |
Guys,
I think there will be no need to stretch the upper horn and to destroy the design. The single DW balances more than perfect, and with two options of back strap pins and the bigger lower horn (much bigger than the normal DW lower horn to fit the master vol and pu selector) there will be no need in doing this. It WILL balance perfectly, believe me.....
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 77
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 9:13 am: | |
If not. Here are a couple of renderings of the two different shapes.
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senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 822
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 11:18 am: | |
Rob,
sorry, as said before. Looks not good and destroys the design.
Just my opinion.
Plse leave it as is.....
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 78
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 11:33 am: | |
OK. It's your bass.
How do you like the logo on the pickups? |
senmen
Senior Member
Username: senmen
Post Number: 823
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 11:47 am: | |
Rob,
well, you are getting better and better, or better said: PERFECT!
Is the different shine on the strings kind of a shadow thing?
Oliver (Spyderman) |
rob_the_fiend
Member
Username: rob_the_fiend
Post Number: 79
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 7:31 am: | |
Nope. It's a strange graphic error only visible when I render with perspective. |
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